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Last week in the U.S., a federal advisory committee voted against using MDMA – or ecstasy – to treat post-traumatic stress disorder. It marks the first time FDA advisers have even considered a psychedelic drug for medical use. This is something Ernesto Londoño is passionate about. His new book “Trippy: The Peril and Promise of Medicinal Psychedelics” draws on his own experience in the Amazon, trying to ease his depression. He joins Walter Isaacson to discuss the growing intersection between mental health and drug use.

Originally aired on June 10, 2024

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Major support for Amanpour and Company is provided by The Anderson Family Endowment, Jim Attwood and Leslie Williams, Candace King Weir, the Leila and Mickey Straus Family Charitable Trust, Mark J. Blechner, the Filomen M. D’Agostino Foundation, Seton J. Melvin, Charles Rosenblum, Koo and Patricia Yuen, Barbara Hope Zuckerberg, Jeffrey Katz and Beth Rogers, Bernard and Denise Schwartz, the JPB Foundation, the Sylvia A. and Simon B. Poyta Programming Endowment to Fight Antisemitism and Josh Weston.

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@sherrytaha9268 says:

An excellent and timely discussion. Thank you.

@JosedeJezeus says:

Just smoke weed , people. It’s a mild hallucinogen.

@JosedeJezeus says:

Some people are going to have a bad trip and be damaged, surely.

@GuylaineLauniere-mc8ho says:

In some cases… the patients develop other mental illnesses… that are "side effects" …of the treatment.

@GuylaineLauniere-mc8ho says:

Quite a dangerous method of treatment.
Some have been left with permanent damage… either in asylums or in our neighborhoods.

@HeIsNakedLunch says:

To whom this may concern. What’s trippy isn’t that which’s suggested in the title. What’s actually trippy’s you believe mental health in the way that you do: as a problem to address, solve, resolve or whatever. Almost if not exactly as an autist’s object displacement problem, issue or double back, slow down or just remember to recognise the more you don’t let it control you the easier it is to see or feel or both why or when you’ve just experienced having displaced an object. You could even have been holding it in your hand.
Some things we talk about, in my opinion, are so dated that it’s better that I ignore the discussion all together and go straight into the comments. If this was a live event where I could cut in or sit out until the or a Q & A, that’s different. I’d only wish I could be allowed to speak in the most heinous of vocabulary.
You are an idiot. We do not have mental disabilities. We have mental powers. Somewhere betwixt witchcraft and modern medicine something went a rye. Literally, rye went bad like wheat. We got high. Had fun. And then? You carn’t. We carn. You carn. They carn’t. Some struggle and never make it: Palestine & Israel; Ukraine & Russia; Syria or who destitute?

@BearKat9 says:

Please record your videos slightly hogher volume.

@iq-ride9329 says:

I'll pass. Thanks.

@dad102 says:

Fascinating.
You guys cover topics that nobody else does.
Walter always asks such great questions.

@RiverHorse2021 says:

I have experience with both ayahuasca and psychedelic mushrooms. Consumed in appropriate, supportive environments, these substances act as medicines, not "drugs."

@carolinebjerkelund767 says:

I have PTSD from SA, I will have this for the rest of my life. There is no way I would join a cult and take major drugs. Also, I find it interesting that Veterans try to own PTSD as their own. The cause of some SA survivors come from many Veterans. I do not take this man seriously.

@Atheistbatman says:

U can’t know reality until u find out where it stops
– jimmyism #432

@chuckheppner4384 says:

#Psilocybin #LegalizeIt
"A consensus has emerged that the vast majority of ritual ceremonies are concerned primarily with healing in a general sense. They exert influence on physical well-being, heighten identity, enhance interpersonal cohesion, reintegrate community into the environment, and mitigate perceived conflicts with supernatural powers. In spite of the cultural diversity of therapeutic institutions and practices, the fundamental healing principles show a good deal of cross-cultural uniformity

The history of human use of plants, mushrooms, and animals for their psychedelic effects is far older than written history, and probably predates the appearance of the modern human species.

During its history, humankind has devoted astonishing energy and ingenuity to altering consciousness. In a survey of 488 societies in all parts of the world, Erika Bourgignon found that 437 of the societies had one or more culturally patterned forms of ASC. This means that fully 90% of the world’s cultures have one or more institutionalized ASC. In tribal societies and Eastern cultures these are regarded — almost without exception — as sacred or revered conditions. Mystical or sacred states of consciousness are called samadhi in yoga, moksha in Hinduism, satori in Zen, fana in Sufism, and ruach hakodesh in kabbalah. In the West they are known as unio mystica (Christian mysticism), a numinal state (Carl Jung), peak experience (Abraham Maslow), holotropic experience (Stanislav Grof), cosmic consciousness (Richard Bucke), and flow (Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi).

Dobkin de Rios and Smith suggest that spiritual techniques for altering consciousness are typically repressed in state-level societies because they constitute a potential threat to the religious interpretations of those who hold social and religious power

It is striking that our society has forgotten how critical LSD was in the early stages of the development of psychopharmacology, and that it continues to be a seminal contributor to the field today. It is reminiscent of the patriarchy “forgetting” the role of psychedelic plants in spiritual and religious settings. During the late 1940s through the late 1960s, hundreds of scientific papers and dozens of books, monographs, and scientific meetings discussed the latest in psychedelic drug research. Many of the key figures of academic psychiatry and pharmacology began their career in this field. Presidents of the American Psychiatric Association, chairmen of psychiatry departments, advisers to and members of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) — all cut their teeth in the psychedelic research field. It was an exciting, well-funded, and creative time.”

Rick Strassman, Inner Paths to Outer Space: Journeys to Alien Worlds through Psychedelics & Other Spiritual Technologies

"No wonder psychedelics are threatening to an authoritarian religious hierarchy. You don’t need faith to benefit from a psychedelic experience, let alone a priest or even a shaman to interpret it. What you need is courage—courage to drink the brew, eat the mushroom, or whatever it is, and then to pay attention, and make of it what you will. Suddenly, the tools for direct contact with the transcendent other (whether you call it God or something else) is taken from the hands of an anointed elite and given to the individual seeker.

Nobody can have your psychedelic experience for you; you just have to screw your courage up and raise the cup to your lips or smoke the pipe or whatever it is and face what's in there.

I get frustrated with people who say that a drug experience can have no spiritual validity. I'm here to tell you that all experience is a drug experience. We're all on drugs all the time, largely because we are MADE of drugs

All experience is a drug experience. Whether it's mediated by our own [endogenous] drugs, or whether it's mediated by substances that we ingest that are found in plants, cognition, consciousness, the working of the brain, it's all a chemically mediated process. Life itself is a drug experience.

Think for yourself, and believe in yourself. Keep your skeptical antennae tuned in and in good working order at all times. We are free to develop our own hypotheses, which should be based in available evidence. When it comes to faith, have faith in yourself. And don't forget to love, laugh, be kind to each other. Don't take things so seriously, especially yourself. If the universe is a cosmic joke, remember to giggle. And remember to be astonished."

Dennis McKenna

"Psychedelics helped me to escape.. albeit momentarily.. from the prison of my mind. It over-rode the habit patterns of thought and I was able to taste innocence again. Looking at sensations freshly without the conceptual overly was very profound.

We are sneaking psychedelics back into our society through research like the MDMA research that's going on, through the research for the use of marijuana for pain, through research with the dying [with psilocybin], and ultimately we will do the same kind of stuff about alcoholism, about prison rehabilitation, so on. I mean, its obvious that psychedelics, properly used, have a behavior-change psychotherapeutic value. But from my point of view, that is all underusing the vehicle. The potential of the vehicle is sacramentally to take you out of the cultural constructs which you are part of a conspiracy in maintaining. And giving you a chance to experience once again your innocence.”

Ram Dass

"The function of the brain is to reduce all the available information and lock us into a limited experience of the world. LSD frees us from this restriction and opens us to a much larger experience.

LSD is a catalyst or amplifier of mental processes. If properly used it could become something like the microscope or telescope of psychiatry.

Many of us who have experienced psychedelics feel very much that they are sacred tools. They open spiritual awareness.

I believe that used responsibly and in a mature way, the entheogens mediate access to the numinous dimensions of existence, have a great healing and transformative potential, and represent a very important tool for spiritual development.

These substances function as unspecific amplifiers that increase the energetic niveau in the psyche and make the deep unconscious dynamics available for conscious processing. This unique property of psychedelics makes it possible to study psychological undercurrents that govern our experiences and behaviors to a depth that cannot be matched by any other methods and tools available in modern mainstream science. In emotional and psychosomatic disorders, for positive personality transformation, and consciousness evolution."

Stanislav Grof

"We must become aware of the astonishing fact that as a species we are the victims of an instance of traumatic abuse in childhood. As human beings, we once had a symbiotic relationship with the world-girdling intelligence of the planet that was mediated through shamanic plant use. This relationship was disrupted and eventually lost by the progressive climatic drying of the Eurasian and African land masses.

Our human dependence on the living processes of the earth was largely forgotten with the growth of industrial civilization. Now we are being forced to remember that Gaia is greater than we are and that the human economy is embedded within the ecology of the biosphere. So, in what sense is Gaia alive? And what difference does it make if we think of her as a living organism, as opposed to an inanimate physical system?”

Rupert Sheldrake, The Rebirth of Nature: The Greening of Science and God

@jul.escobar says:

In glad you're discussing this. This can help people heal and work through so many issues.

@karebear9773 says:

Great and timely show. This is going to be great to have it back on the market legalized for therapy as it once was, I know personally of the benefits.

@kevinjenner9502 says:

CIA and MK-Ultra…

@jasondavenport5577 says:

Ive found that many of the psychotropics that Doctors use to treat mental health issues do nothing more than exhaserbate mental health problems especially when they are not coupled with actual weekly in office visits with a therapist to guide them through their thought processes. The way that much of it is now CREATES MORE mental health issues vs alleviate them. It Keeps big pharma nice and fat as they drain the public of their money.

@DezorianGuy says:

I believe in you

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